How passwords are used with the login plugin

I hesitate to reply, but I strongly believe anyone who thinks AI is not very important or useful is deceiving themselves. AI is good, very good, and getting better and better every day. It can search all published items regarding a topic such as all the Grav documentation, read all of them, reason when there are contradictions and come to a conclusion all in a matter of a few seconds which no individual person could ever hope to do. AI helped me resolve all kinds of issues regarding Grav which I could not have resolved by using forums like this one because it involved a very long conversation over many days with me asking all kinds of questions. The nice thing about AI is that you can ask it anything, you can repeat the same question multiple times, you can ask stupid questions and it just answers without making you feel stupid or that you asked a dumb question or an inappropriate question, etc. In the very early 70's, I was working in the research division of a major computer company, and we had an AI department. The point is, AI has been around for more than 50 years, and it isn't just a chatbot! It's taken 50+ years for it to become actually doable.

AI may have plenty of qualities, but is it worth the destruction it generates? AI is surely more than a chatbot, and has plenty of useful applications. You talked about using chatbots, my question is simply, are they worth their energy and environment costs, are the little improvements they bring to our life worth all this destruction?
Anyway, sorry for initiating this argument, it's not the place for it.

Apart from the discussion on AI, I didn't want to be unnice or say that your questions are stupid or misplaced. I tried to help you earlier answering your questions, even proposed you direct help which you kind of declined, and many people gently answered many of your questions and it didn't seem like it help you get things go forward, I didn't have the feeling that you actually tried to apply the advise people gave you in their answer, so it ends up feeling a bit annoying. Maybe it's a question of needing some bases to be able to understand those answers and try to apply them, and it takes time to acquire those bases. But then it returns back to the advise many people gave already, that grav is mainly thought for developers, so one needs to want to have this mindset to use it in a customized way.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded unnice, I didn't want to. I wish you all the best of luck to build this website whether it is with grav or any other tool.
I hope you and any other person feel welcome to post any question that's useful to them in this forum, I'll try to answer when I feel I can be of some help.

In the very first post I made to this forum I said I have no experience in developing websites and asked if Grav was only for professional web developers. I was very reluctant to make any posts here. The answer I received gave me the impression that it could potentially be used by novices also. By the way, Grav was recommended to me by AI! My only goal is to get the website project I started finished. I do not have a goal of becoming an expert in Grav or even super knowledgeable about Grav. I don't know enough to know if Grav is good or bad, but I do know it is extraordinarily confusing to someone like me. I'm sure if I studied Twig, PHP, YAML and all the other related things like Frameworks, etc., I would eventually understand everything, but that would take a lot of time, and I do not have the time for that. I just want to get the project I started finished - that's all. In my opinion, some of the Grav documentation is good and some is not so good. I read and reread the login plugin documentation multiple times without understanding it. Most of it was how to create user accounts which really is trivial. I didn't understand until @Karmalakas made a previous post that there was a built-in registration page called user_register, and I didn't understand until a day ago or so that the user_register page isn't actually a page and that it cannot be modified like you can modify an actual registration page. Reading is not always comprehending or understanding.

@squeak:
I didn’t have the feeling that you actually tried to apply the advise people gave you in their answer, so it ends up feeling a bit annoying

Exactly..

Even when I asked a very simple yes/no question if step 3 was done, there was some seemingly random answer, which implied that step 3 wasn't even attempted

Yes, Grav can easily be used by noobs without even getting into the docs, which are mostly written with devs in mind. Just install and go to admin - navigate through all the sections and play around with options, where most of them have descriptions what they do

And registration page can be modified a lot via login plugin settings, but once again - it seems you didn't even try to open them, which I suggested at least 3 times now

Sorry, but my support ends here, unless I see you really try the suggestions

Regarding the login plugin, there are two login.yaml files which contain settings for the login plugin, and there are settings in the login plugin itself. If there are conflicts between settings, how are those conflicts resolved? Do the settings in one login.yaml file have precedence over all the other settings? If so, then why are there other settings?

Since you're not familiar with Grav and not a developer, I suggest to stay out of files, unless there's no other way

@Karmalakas I thought you said you were not going to make any more suggestions! I'm looking for answers to my questions. I'm not looking for someone to tell me what they think I should or should not do.

As you wish...

I believe your initial question about private website has been answered thouroughly. If you want to learn how plugin config files work, please create a separate topic

@ This thread is about the login plugin, and that's what the questions are regarding so there's no need for a separate topic.

@phil:
how will the users know what their passwords are if the administrator adds the passwords? Users of private sites usually create their own passwords

You've got an answer, that users can create their own accounts and passwords (including steps how to achieve that). If you want to create accounts yourself anyway, then you can send passwords to users yourself via any communication channel you prefer

@All, I'm closing this post...

30 replies down the road and no end insight. Discussion does not seem to be moving in a productive direction and above all it starts getting ugly.